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Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:13 pm
by Zyviel
I have noticed that when I overlay images, there is a problem in IE 6 where a white background shows up when it should be transparent. I saved the background of the png image as alpha, but for IE 6 it still shows as a white background. The overlay works fine in IE 7 and Firefox, but I was wondering if anyone knew a way to make the background of an image transparent for IE 6?

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:49 pm
by Jackolantern
Here is a downloadable script and a short tutorial for a fix. It seems that otherwise this is a pretty hard issue to fix.

However, I have stopped developing with IE6 in mind. The "big dogs", Yahoo!, Google, Amazon, Ebay and Facebook have all dropped support for it over a year ago, which means that anyone still using IE6 is going to be getting a pretty jacked version of the popular internet and it should be pretty apparent they need to upgrade. So why should we break our backs trying to support a nearly 10-year old browser?

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:07 pm
by Zyviel
Thanks for the information Jackolantern.

I wasn't sure how many people were still using IE 6 and whether I needed to account for that. After reading your post and seeing that not many people are still using IE 6 and many companies are not worried about dealing with issues with IE 6, it makes me less worried about making things look good in IE 6.

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:56 pm
by hallsofvallhalla
yep jack is right. I stopped worrying about it a while ago. But I am not a "big dog" ;)

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:20 pm
by Jackolantern
Well, there is always a trade-off. You can deal with the headaches of staying compatible with IE6 to ensure you aren't turning away anyone. But, let's think about this for a moment. The newest Windows OS that is not capable of upgrading to IE7, to my knowledge, is Windows 98 (if I remember right, I had IE 7 on a Windows 2000 machine at my last job). That is a mighty old OS! Then you have to take your potential audience into account. You will likely be targeting gamers or at least technology-minded people with your website, who are probably not working on a Win98 PC. Anyone on a newer version of Windows will be able to upgrade if asked, but you are unlikely to even have an IE6 visitor considering the kind of content you are likely to be offering. Anyone even remotely interested in PC gaming will not still be using Windows 98 lol. It is hard to even find a penny-pinching company that is still using Windows 98 machines these days!

The big web sites that have stopped supporting IE6 were mostly for technological reasons. Some of the features, namely AJAX features, on Facebook and Google simply cannot be coaxed into working on IE6, for example. Anyone still using IE6 should know at this point that they are severely restricted on the web due to these sites no longer supporting their browser.

I personally believe for the types of sites this community will be making, it just isn't worth holding yourself back to support IE6. You may have to turn away 2 or 3 people through the life of your site, but that opens up a world of new design and development possibilities for the hundreds or thousands who can access it. It may be a very different decision if you were making a site for a government agency who's visitors include a complete slice of the population, and who's access is given much more weight than features or style.

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:01 am
by Chris
The fact is IE6 still has more than 5% of the browser industry.. Sorry if that's the wrong term.. I'm rather drunk..

But anyway.. First I was all up for not making my websites compatible with IE6 as I want people to upgrade.. but 5% is quite a lot of people. It's more than Opera and Safari put together.

Windows XP came with IE6 as it's main browser, and it's still the most used OS.

<3 Opera.

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:50 am
by Jackolantern
IE6 still has a small chunk, but who is that chunk? We can probably make a few assumptions about those who are still using IE6 (I know what they say about assumptions, but lets not worry about that lol).

1. They are probably not technology-minded people.
2. They are probably not game players.
3. Computers and computing are likely a very low priority to them, seeing as they not willing to pay to upgrade their system for more than a decade.
4. They probably don't stray far from the high-profile sites such as Yahoo!, Ebay, and Amazon, even though they are getting broken versions of those sites.
5. Those who don't fit into the above are likely business computer users that have no choice over their browser. In that case, these users are of somewhat lower value to entertainment/game-based website owners since you can still potentially reach these users on their home PC or laptop, and they are also less likely to devote time to playing a PBBG on their lower-powered work PC.

Windows XP is the only semi-modern browser that had IE6 on it, and it was a Windows Critical Update to update it years ago to IE7. So the only people left on IE6 are either Windows 98 or earlier users (meaning they qualify for 1 - 4 above), or they are using locked work computers (meaning they quality for 5 above).

I just personally think it is too much trouble and too limiting to keep developing with IE6 in mind, and the majority of Fortune 500 web-based companies think so too. Newer features and HTML5's impending acceptance are just too tantalizing to worry about these dinosaurs. When you only look at gamers and people who may play a PBBG or go to a game-related site, that IE6 number probably drops to lower than 2 or 3%, and I would gladly lose that number to allow better features.

@Halls:

Do you have a list of browser accesses to this site? Can you see how many IE6 accesses you get? I would be very interested to know :)

Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:44 pm
by hallsofvallhalla
Doubt many potential gamers use IE6. Like I have said many many times those stats are skewed. You are counting work machines that dont always upgrade. We just upgraded our 40,000 PCs to IE7 about 2 months ago.

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Re: Question about IE 6 and images

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:25 pm
by Noctrine
Even with the percentage, the only way you can make those people adapt is if you take the apple route. Tell people to use the browsers that you specify, the people interested enough will upgrade accordingly, the other people probably wouldn't have been into it that much anyway.