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[SpiritWebb]

Thought this video would be neat... (Note: not to offend anyone, just really interesting)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMUDXO4xkW8[/youtube]

added another one about the project:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTsplXNIMbg[/youtube]


Science is a best guess until proven its a fact with a theory. The fact that they found 5 earth size planets, 54 of them being in the habitable zone, is a HUGE deal considering that a lot of people thought we were the only planet able to hold life, and if those 54 can...then the possibility of life itself grows exponentially.

[PaxBritannia]

That is making a lot of assumptions.

pax.

[OldRod]

Assumptions or not... the idea that we are alone in this universe is pretty naive.

Not that we will ever have any contact with other inhabitable planets as a race, but there's no way we are the only planet with life on it in this entire universe.

[hallsofvallhalla]

haha omg I wont say much other than why are people so naive.

Excuse can I speak to the micro machine announcer that counted 100,000,000,000 stars? Oh what it is a estimate? Oh I thought science is based on facts!

This video is so pre school it is just corny. I want facts not assumptions and estimates. I am not taking either side for if you read your bible you will learn there is more than earth out there. Both extreme sides are so close minded it drives me nuts.

[Jackolantern]

This is a bit iffy as far as being religion-oriented material. It seems this conversation could go in a bad direction. Maybe swap it out with another video about Kepler, which is a really fascinating topic (the source material would still be very interesting without the "vs. creationist" angle)?

[SpiritWebb]

Updated my first post. I didn't pull down the first video, but added a second video with it about the project.

[hallsofvallhalla]

thanks Jack

The fact that they found 5 earth size planets, 54 of them being in the habitable zone, is a HUGE deal considering that a lot of people thought we were the only planet able to hold life, and if those 54 can

Says who? Did they send probes to test the air? Then how for a fact do they know? It as much a fact as what they are trying to disprove. My Toyota runs. Does that mean I can go to a junk yard and anything that looks like my Toyota also run?

I have 3 ballons

1 with Natural gas

1 with Hydrogen gas

1 with helium

They all look the same and all float does that mean they all contain the same gas?

[Jackolantern]

They understand that there very well could be other issues that would prevent life from surviving on those planets. That is why literature from the research typically refers to them by the slightly more ambiguous term of "Goldilocks planets". They aren't necessarily saying "Well, we know where they are, so they definitely have life". Instead they are just saying they are mathematically a certain distance from their star that, once the size and intensity of their star is calculated, would put them into the range to have a similar temperature as our planet which could allow liquid water. That is actually a very narrow temperature band when you consider that temperature ranges from -460 F into millions upon millions of degrees, so each Goldilocks planet is a pretty interesting discovery.

In my opinion, I personally think we are on the wrong trail by only looking for other planets just like Earth to try to find life. Some scientists believe that by studying the life on this planet we can make determinations about the requirements for life to form. But there is a serious hole in that thinking: all the life they are looking at is on this planet. If life adapts to its environment like we know it does, why could it not take radical adaptations in alien environments that would make it completely unlike our life here? Before oxygen flooded our planet, there was already life, but now you would think oxygen is a requirement by looking at most of the lifeforms here (we still probably would if not for the joint efforts of microbiologists who found nonaerobic organisms still here, and geologists for discovering that life pre-dates our oxygen rich-atmosphere). What if there was life on Titan, the moon of Saturn? They could be living in the lakes of liquid methane. What if they drank it, and their bodies were 80% liquid methane, and they looked at us and thought "How can you live in water? That is deadly poison!" (a thought taken from someone much more brilliant than I, who I cannot remember to be able to cite)? The question is how tenacious is life? All we have to study is what is already here on our planet, who developed here in the same environment as us. While it definitely isn't a bad wager to devote the limited research resources we have on hunting other planets like our own, I would not be much more surprised if we found life somewhere that is nothing like Earth.

[SpiritWebb]

True. Look at what they found in California. Life growing in Arsenic, a lake:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/sc ... _monolake/

I believe life could form anywhere given the chance. But the video itself is just stating about planets, yeah possibility of life grew higher then before, but the basis that we had the only planet with oxygen, water, etc is what was being challenged in the first video, nothing more.

I know a bunch of people that say if its not in the bible, therefor it doesn't exist. Well in the bible it only talks about Earth and not any other world, so therefor according to those that I know, Earth is the only one. I believe this is what they were referring to "Creationists." This video wasn't meant to spark someone getting angry or whatever, just something I thought was interesting and exciting and wanted to share it.

[hallsofvallhalla]

liek the new life they found living in unimaginable areas

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/20 ... e-sea.html

In the "hadal" zone, which at 11,000 meters is deeper than Mount Everest is high – the pressure rises to 1,000 bar, or a ton per square centimeter. And as there is practically no light, and plants cannot grow, there is little food. It offers a glimpse of what life on Jupiter's moon, Europa, might look like. A new species of archaebacteria, Pyrococcus CH1,was recently discovered thriving on a mid-Atlantic ridge within a temperature range of 80 to 105°C and able to divide itself up to a hydrostatic pressure of 120 Mpa (1000 times higher than the atmospheric pressure). Excedrin Migraine won't help down there.

My point is they assume so much and leave out even more in that video. Being able to reproduce a perfect system like our galaxy, sun, earth, life, ect would be like throwing a dart from space and hitting a bullseye 1" diameter. Doesn't mean there are not other planets out there..1,000's? Doubt it. But even if they are it does not disprove a godly figure or creationists. Can a uber powerful god not create 1,000 planets with 100,000,000,000 organisms? If not then you need to change gods I am not arguing religion or science, just saying no one has proven either one wrong. Not by fact. Who is to say god did not use evolution to make the earth. He is a god, i am quite sure he can do what he wants.

Believe what you feel is right and don't let the nut cases sway you with fanatic videos and preachings.